Ex-Christian.net Exposed – Was Jesus Honest with you?

A website called exchristian.net is dedicated to ridiculing God, and they use every little misinformation they can get to mislead people into thinking Christianity is fiction and the bible is contradictory. As such I would be writing a series of articles called ‘ExChristian.net Exposed’, to respond to the claims published on that website, and try to help some of the Ex-Christians who had real concerns and questions that lead to their rejection of Christianity and God.


WizenedSage wrote an article called ‘Was Jesus Honest with you?’ (Here’s the link to the article: http://new.exchristian.net/2010/03/was-jesus-honest-with-you.html ). In this article he tries to prove that Jesus wasn’t honest in what he said in the bible since it can’t be applied or proven to be true. One of the arguments WizenedSage puts through is his disdain for prayer, but I remember Wizenedsage publishing an article called ‘Prayer and Insanity’ in which he claimed Jesus was a liar for saying prayers work when they didn’t. I also remember responding to his article, and ridiculing his biblical knowledge on the doctrine on prayer. Here’s part of what I said in response: “God only answers that are offered according to his will, as the Lord’s prayer teaches. Unless of course you never really knew the Lord’s Prayer, and you were just saying it because you had memorized it”. WizenedSage responded by saying: “So where do you get the idea that only prayers in accordance with God’s will get answered?” I was shocked to see that response from WizenedSage as I thought he knew the subject matter at hand, but he clearly didn’t know what he was talking about, and so were many other ex-Christian respondents on the article.

I responded by saying: “That’s more like you guys, you claim you were Christians yet you know nothing about the bible. Had you guys read your bibles, then you would have not been here. You quote one verse that talk about prayer, John 14:13, while you ignore more others that talk about the same thing. You even ignore the Lord’s Prayer that clearly had these words: ‘Thy will be done’. What does ‘thy will be done’ in the Lord’s Prayer mean if anything we ask for can be given? Unless you guys were just praying the Lord’s Prayer without giving thought to what it was saying.

Let me give you one other verse that you guys never managed to bump into while you were still Christians, which is weird to me. 1 John 5:14 says “This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us”. This verse tears your argument into pieces, and it even goes a step further by saying God wasn’t even hearing your prayers because they were not according to His will. Do you guys really think God listen to prayers by people who wants to win the lottery? Do you guys think you can ask God to save Satan and he will answer your prayers?

No offence, but you guys are ex-Christians because you ignored your bibles and only memorized the verse that you liked. There are many instances where the bible makes it clear that prayers have to be according to God’s will. Even Paul once prayed to be healed from a ‘thorn in the flesh’ but God didn’t heal him because it wasn’t His will to (2 Corinthians 12:7). Samuel once prayed for God to forgive Saul, but God told him clearly that he won’t and Samuel should stop wasting his time.”

It seems WisenedSage hasn’t corrected his doctrine on prayer, as he continues to selectively use biblical verse he likes. I showed him that the bible clearly states that God only answer prayers offered according to His will, but he still continues to claim that the bible teaches that every prayer is answered. In this article he quotes Matthew 17:20 that talks about moving mountains; and he asks ‘can you move a mountain’? Well WisenedSage, is it God’s will to move a mountain? Does God want Mount Everest to move and be placed next to a football stadium? Is it Kilimanjaro so misplaced that it has to move to the middle of the sea? So no, I can’t a mountain because there’s nothing wrong with where it is. Infact I’m happy with the location of all mountains in the world, they are perfectly placed. Do you have a problem with where Table Mountain is situated, considering thousands of people visit it every year?

Wisened then ask if I can perform miracles, according to John 14:12. No I can’t perform miracles because the bible never said I would. This is another of your selective bible reading, and it seems that you are an expert in it. If you have read the preceding verses before you came to verse 14 that you have quoted, then you would have never written what you have just did. Let me prove that you misquoted the bible. Jesus explaining the source of his miracles said in verse 10 “Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing His work”. So was Jesus the one doing miracles? No. Who was doing miracles? God The Father as Jesus said in verse 10. So can a Christian do miracles? No, but God can do miracles through a Christian, like Jesus was doing miracles through God the Father. Did you try to do miracles WisenedSage, and are you surprised they never happened? Well, I’m not because the bible never said you can.

WisenedSage is at it again! He says Jesus promised to return before his disciples died, and that was 2000 years ago, according to Mark 9:1. But Jesus never said such a thing, so only WisenedSage knows why he’s making Jesus out to be a liar. The verse says “I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power (NIV)”. For all English translations, go to this link (http://bible.cc/mark/9-1.htm ). Let’s see if there was no one who was with Jesus on that day who never saw the Kingdom of God come with power before they died. Who can I choose out of the many disciples who were with Jesus? How about Stephen and John? Stephen said before he died: “ I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God” (Acts 7:56). John on the other hand said: “I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband” (Revelations 21:2). Did these two gentlemen see the Kingdom of heaven come with power, since they were with Jesus on that day when He predicted it would happen? Well they say so, so what more evidence do we need? So was Jesus lying WisenedSage?

Jesus’ reputation was on the line when you wrote this article, but I’m starting to wonder if your reputation shouldn’t be in the line. Only you can tell me.


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