Did God come from nothing? Response to Katoblephas.

Katoblephas says: “God came from nothing? or it came from something that was there? If God came from nothing, then it’s possible that everything came from nothing too,right? If God came from something, what was it? where is it? when is it?”

The first introduction we have of God says “God created the heavens and the earth”. This means there was a time when there was no universe, meaning no galaxies, sun, moon, stars, and earth existed before God created them. What we know to exist never existed before God created it. There were no aliens in existence back then, and no some galaxy far away where there was life. Everything that astronomers know about the universe was not there, meaning time and light was non-existent. Yet in the absence of all this creation there was God. Describing this magnificent mystery David said: “before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God” (Psalm 90:2).

How many years did God exist before He created the universe? If you can calculate how many years eternity is, then you can calculate the number of years God existed before He created the universe. In simple answer, God existed for trillions times trillions of years before any universe came into existence. This fact demonstrates the stupidity of those who try to use their understanding of the universe to ridicule the existence of God. Even though God created the universe, His existence is not dependant on the existence of the universe or our understanding of it. To drive this point through, God has made some startling promises in the bible, and in some of them He promises to create a new universe that would be totally different from how this universe is. To ridicule those who think He is subject to time and space, He promises to create a universe that won’t be subject to time. For those who question His omnipotence, God ridicules them by promising to create a universe that won’t have any sea and no need for the sun. Do you think it’s possible to have a universe that is not subject to time, with no sea and no need for the sun and moon to shine on? All scientific theories say it’s impossible, and they tell us that time makes it possible for the universe to evolve, while the sun is the centre of the universe which keeps the universe together. God exists beyond space hence his dwelling place (heaven) is way above the furthest quasar that astronomers could ever find. He exists beyond the furthest our smartest astronomy minds can comprehend, so He can make His point that He is not subject to space.

How is it possible that God could exist beyond space and universe? The bible says “God is spirit” (John 4:24). So do you think a spirit is subject to the laws of time and space? No, the spirit is not subject to time and space, hence God was able to exist before time and space came into existence, and He will still be able to exist in the new universe that won’t be subject to time and space. Many people still doubt God’s deity because we have little information on how the universe came into existence, yet they ignore the fact that God has promised to create a new universe from scratch in full view of everybody. Instead of using this expected new universe as evidence to the deity of God and await its occurrence, they rather decide to base their rejection of God on their lack of information on how this current universe was created. And I suspect Katoblephas is one of those people who have an image of a god who is subject to time and space, and this makes it impossible for him to reconcile the deity of this creator and the fact that he’s subject to the same law he’s created.  

Katoblephas has a problem with idolatry. Idolatry is when a person creates an idol in their mind and gives that idol some characteristics that make sense, and then place a ‘God’ sticker on that idol. Many people suffer from this problem, hence the first commandment  God gave to people of the world is for them not to create a idol in the form of anything that is heaven above or on the earth (Exodus 20:3-4). Katoblephas  has his own idol with a ‘God’ sticker on, and this idol was created into something from nothing. The problem with his idol is that he can’t reconcile it in the thick of things, and he doesn’t know if this idol was created or it created itself. He also doesn’t know if this idol created the universe or not, or it’s subject to the laws of nature of or not. Depending on what comes to mind, Katoblephas is likely to change the nature of this idol from time to time. One thing for sure Katoblephas’ idol doesn’t exist, and he would likely to attest.

What is the solution? The solution is for Katoblephas to discard this idol he has in his mind, and look at the God who came to earth in form of a human called Jesus Christ. The God who was from eternity to eternity, and is not subject to any laws of nature but can change them whenever  He likes. The God who wasn’t created by anybody from nothing or something. The God who will judge the world according to its sins, and will make Katoblephas appear in front of His judgment seat to give account of himself.

The god who was created doesn’t exist, and I’m sure you can agree with me, hence you are atheist towards this god.

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5 Comments »

  1. inchtalla said

    How do you know what the attributes of “spirit” are, that you can confidently say that god, being spirit, is not subject to the rules.

    Please answer the question, not merely repeat what you claim god has said.

    HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE ATTRIBUTES OF SPIRIT ARE?

    • How could God the Spirit be subject to the same rules He created, the same rules that didn’t exist for trillions of years until He created them?

  2. Lizo said

    Before God created everything there would have been no time/space, so can you ask for a calculation of how many years it’d been before creation…?

  3. Lizo said

    Who said the sun was the centre of the universe? The sun is the centre of the solar system which is part of the milky way… there are numerous other observed galaxies in the universe!

  4. H.S.Pal said

    WHO CREATED GOD?
    Earlier it was impossible for us to give any satisfactory answer to this question. But modern science, rather we should say that Einstein, has made it an easy task for us. And Stephen Hawking has provided us with the clue necessary for solving this riddle. Actually scientists in their infinite wisdom have already kept the ground well-prepared for us believers so that one day we can give a most plausible and logically sound answer to this age-old question. Let us first see how Hawking has helped us by providing the necessary clue. In his book “A Brief History of Time” (Chapter: The origin and fate of the universe) he informs us that there are 1080 particles in the region of the observable universe. Then he raised the question regarding the origin of these particles, and gave the answer himself. According to quantum theory particles can be created out of energy in the form of particle/antiparticle pairs. But there the question does not stop. Another question props up regarding the origin of that energy. But when it is said that total energy of the universe is exactly zero, then all is said and done. So this is the clue: if we can somehow arrive at zero, then no further question will be raised, and there will be no infinite regression. What I intend to do here is something similar to that. I want to show that our God is a bunch of several zeroes, and that therefore no further question need be raised about His origin. And here comes Einstein with his special theory of relativity for giving us the necessary empirical support to our project.
    God is a Being. Therefore God will have existence as well as essence. So I will have to show that both from the point of view of existence as well as from the point of view of essence God is zero. It is almost a common saying that God is spaceless, timeless, changeless, immortal, and all-pervading. Here we are getting three zeroes; space is zero, time is zero, change is zero. But how to prove that if there is a God, then that God will be spaceless, timeless, and changeless? From special theory of relativity we come to know that for light both distance and time become unreal. For light even an infinite distance is infinitely contracted to zero. The volume of an infinite universe full of light only will be simply zero due to this property of light. A universe with zero volume is a spaceless universe. Again at the speed of light time totally stops. So a universe full of light only is a spaceless, timeless universe. But these are the properties of light only! How do we come to know that God is also having the same properties of light so that God can also be spaceless, timeless? Scientists have shown that if there is a God, then that God can only be light, and nothing else, and that therefore He will have all the properties of light. Here is the proof.
    Scientists have shown that total energy of the universe is always zero. If total energy is zero, then total mass will also be zero due to energy-mass equivalence. Now if there is a God, then scientists have calculated the total energy and mass of the universe by taking that God into consideration. In other words, if there is a God, then this total energy-mass calculation by the scientists is God-inclusive, not God-exclusive. This is due to two reasons. First of all, even if there is a God, they are not aware of the fact that there is a God. Secondly, they do not believe that there is a God. So, if there is a God, then they have not been able to keep that God aside before making this calculation, because they do not know that there is a God. They cannot say that they have kept Him aside and then made this calculation, because by saying so they will admit that there is a God. They cannot say that the behind-the-picture God has always remained behind the picture, and that He has in no way come into the picture when they have made this calculation, because by saying so they will again admit that there is a God. At most they can say that there is no God. But we are not going to accept that statement as the final verdict on God-issue, because we are disputing that statement. So the matter of the fact is this: if God is really there, then total mass and total energy of the universe including that God are both zero. Therefore mass and energy of God will also be zero. God is without any mass, without any energy. And Einstein has already shown that anything having zero rest-mass will have the speed of light. In other words, it will be some sort of light. So, if God is there, then God will also be light, and therefore He will be spaceless, timeless. So from the point of view of existence God is zero, because he is spaceless, timeless, without any mass, without any energy.
    Now we will have to show that from the point of view of essence also God is zero. If there is only one being in the universe, and if there is no second being other than that being, then that being cannot have any such property as love, hate, cruelty, compassion, benevolence, etc. Let us say that God is cruel. Now to whom can He be cruel if there is no other being other than God Himself? So, if God is cruel, then is He cruel to Himself? Therefore if we say that God is all-loving, merciful, benevolent, etc., then we are also admitting that God is not alone, that there is another being co-eternal with God to whom He can show His love, benevolence, goodness, mercy, compassion, etc. If we say that God is all-loving, then we are also saying that this “all” is co-eternal with God. Thus we are admitting that God has not created the universe at all, and that therefore we need not have to revere Him, for the simple reason that He is not our creator!
    It is usually said that God is good. But Bertrand Russell has shown that God cannot be good for the simple reason that if God is good, then there is a standard of goodness which is independent of God’s will. (Book: A History of Western Philosophy, Ch: Plato’s Utopia). Therefore, if God is the ultimate Being, then that God cannot be good. But neither can He be evil. God is beyond good and evil. Like Hindu’s Brahma, a real God can only be nirguna, nirupadhik; without any name, without any quality. From the point of view of essence also, a real God is a zero. Mystics usually say that their God is a no-thing. This is the real God, not the God of the scriptures.
    So, why should there be any need of creation here, if God is existentially, as well as essentially, zero?
    But if there is someone who is intelligent and clever enough, then he will not stop raising question here. He will point out to another infinite regression. If God is light, then He will no doubt be spaceless, timeless, etc. Therefore one infinite regression is thus stopped. But what about the second regression? How, and from whom, does light get its own peculiar properties by means of which we have successfully stopped the first regression? So, here is another infinite regression. But we need not have to worry much about this regression, because this problem has already been solved. A whole thing, by virtue of its being the whole thing, will have all the properties of spacelessness, timelessness, changelessness, deathlessness. It need not have to depend on any other external source for getting these properties. Thus no further infinite regression will be there.

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